Is this how?

A number of prominent sectarian theologians contend that as the Lord languished upon the cross, he literally bore our sins in his body, so that, in a sense, Jesus actually died in sin. Martin Luther, the prominent Protestant reformer, in his commentary on Galatians (as reflected in the 1838), taught that the prophets of the Old Testament foretold “that Christ should become the greatest transgressor, murderer, adulterer, thief, rebel, and blasphemer, that ever was or could be in the world.” He alleged that the Lord lost his innocence at Calvary, and died as a sinful being

http://www.christiancourier.com/article ... -the-cross

So far I could only find two places in the bible mentioning Christ "bare" our sins. Isaiah 53, which many seem to be saying what is similar to the quote above.

It is also mentioned in 1 Peter 2:24. But as I read the chapter it is about trespasses and how we should bare trespasses against us.

And how do you bare sin?

12 whereas they speak against you as evildoers
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man
19 endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it,

[21] For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
[24] Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Christ bore the mistreatment.

Sin is born by the victim of it.

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Is this how?

A number of prominent sectarian theologians contend that as the Lord languished upon the cross, he literally bore our sins in his body, so that, in a sense, Jesus actually died in sin. Martin Luther, the prominent Protestant reformer, in his commentary on Galatians (as reflected in the 1838), taught that the prophets of the Old Testament foretold “that Christ should become the greatest transgressor, murderer, adulterer, thief, rebel, and blasphemer, that ever was or could be in the world.” He alleged that the Lord lost his innocence at Calvary, and died as a sinful being

http://www.christiancourier.com/article ... -the-cross

So far I could only find two places in the bible mentioning Christ "bare" our sins. Isaiah 53, which many seem to be saying what is similar to the quote above.

It is also mentioned in 1 Peter 2:24. But as I read the chapter it is about trespasses and how we should bare trespasses against us.

And how do you bare sin?

12 whereas they speak against you as evildoers
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man
19 endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it,

[21] For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
[22] Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
[23] Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
[24] Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Christ bore the mistreatment.

Sin is born by the victim of it.

For previous discussion as to this: How did Christ become sin?
forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=1717

Dan,

This is a fearful and wonderful picture for our imaginations to rest in and upon which to meditate.

Another part of Isaiah 53 that been a blessing to me lately, is the part about the soul of the elect servant being made an offering for sin.

Isa 53:10-11
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. KJV

This word picture in Isaiah is the same as the picture presented in 2 Cor 5:21.

2 Cor 5:20-21
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. KJV

The "for us" is very important to hear. Which brings us to Daniel 9:24,26, and the "not for himself."

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. KJV

Dan 9:26
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: KJV

Joe

Joe,
Yes, it was for us. To reveal to all in the universe the character of God. That we may understand His character and the principle of loving your enemy. "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" 1 Peter 2:21

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Joe,
Yes, it was for us. To reveal to all in the universe the character of God. That we may understand His character and the principle of loving your enemy. "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" 1 Peter 2:21

Dan,

Truly. And then the holy Spirit further witnesses to us through Peter in chapter 3 and 4.

1 Peter 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: KJV

1 Peter 4:1
:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; KJV

Praise the Father of all spirits that he gives us of the mind of Christ, to be his ambassadors upon earth, to suffer with him to bring his spiritual children to him. This is the fellowship of his sufferings, the fellowship of the spirit, the bowels of his compassion and mercy.

Phil 1:8
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. KJV

Phil 2:1
1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
KJV

Col 3:12-15
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. KJV

Joe

"bare" should be "bear".

According to the NASB, the following are NT references to Isa. 53:3-5

# Isaiah 53:3 : Luke 18:31-33: Mark 10:33, 34 : John 1:10, 11
# Isaiah 53:4 : Matt 8:17 : John 19:7
# Isaiah 53:5 : Heb 9:28 : Rom 4:25; 1 Cor 15:3 : Heb 5:8 : 1 Pet 2:24, 25


Tom

Tom,
In the KJV, you won't find "bear" in 1 Peter. Only "bare." And in Isaiah 53 it is used both ways.

You are right according to the meaning found in Webster. And the KJV uses "bear" in many places, but not in 1 Peter.

Thanks for pointing that out.

How about a literal view? Isaiah 53:4 LITV "Surely He has borne our sicknesses, and He carried our pain; yet we esteemed Him plagued, smitten by God, and afflicted." He had our sickness, our sin. Metaphor: I have the flu, and you don't. You come in contact with me and inhale my flu virus. You now get the flu. You now bear my sickness, you carry my flu virus. Jesus carried our sins in his body, 1 Peter 2:24. Hebrews 1:3 AKJV Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Have your sins been purged? Or did he purge our sins, just like your immune system will purge my flu virus?

nd the KJV uses "bear" in many places, but not in 1 Peter.

Very interesting! But not too surprising, when one thinks about it, as dictionaries didn't standardize spelling until after the KJV was written. Webster did write his first dictionary until 1806. I'm not sure if that was the first English dictionary or not.

Spelling in English was really wild (or, I could say "wylde" before then, like in Wycliffe's translation. One could spell things pretty much any way one wanted to.


Tom

Here's what the Amplified version has for Hebrews 1:3:

He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the [c]out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God's] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high,

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Here's what the Amplified version has for Hebrews 1:3:

He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the [c]out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [God's] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high,

I ask again, are you cleansed of sin? Are you now rid of guilt? Or did he cleanse and rid himself of the sin he was made of, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 2:17, Isaiah 53:4.